A MASTER'S ADVICE ON GROUND-FIGHTING
The following discussion is reproduced from the thread Grappling and Kungfu started in the Shaolin Wahnam Discussion Forum on 18th April 2003
Sifu Kai Uwe Jettkandt
Chief Instructor, Shaolin Wahnam Germany
19th April 2003
Kungfu and Ground-Fighting
Most people who compare different MA's make the following mistake. They compare sport with self-defense!! Even UFC fights got some rules.
Antonius is right if he says he can use the Tiger Claw. But avoid the strong parts of your opponent. For me the Pro-Grapplers also have a kind of Iron Shirt. They will feel less pain then an ordinary MA.
So with the Tiger Claw, attack the throat, eyes or the balls, I know it sounds hard but we are not talking about sport, we are talking about how to survive.
One of my specialties is Grappling and I know what I'm talking about. As a good grappler I try to control both arms because I know the MA who are not very firm with ground-fighting like to punch even on ground.
My advice is that if you are already on the ground always move the whole body like a snake. Don't ever use strength, so the ground-fighter can't fix you.
Grappler fighting philosophy:
- Fell him down
- Find position
- Fix him
- Finish him
P.S.: If you get tired in ground-fighting you are doing something wrong. Ground-fighting for me is like sticky/pushing hands with the whole body
Kai Uwe Jettkandt
Shaolin Wahnam Germany
19th April 2003
|The fact is that a grappler is extremely vulnerable to counter attacks from the moment he begins his shoot until he fully completes his mount. This can take a long time, at least 5-6 seconds. In a fight to the death, 1 second is an eternity. During this time, an internal master has many options, all of which are potentially lethal to his opponent|
This has been argued before dude. Before the UFC kids would sit around the lunch table arguing over whether the wrestler could get the boxer in a hold or if the boxer would just knock him out when he comes in. As much as I wish the striker usually knocked out the grappler, this is rarely the case in the UFC.
Pro boxing and kickboxing champions are lucky if they can land ONE big strike before it goes to the ground, let alone knock the guy out. This is not to say that the striker will always lose, he'd just better know what to do on the ground. So unless you are a better striker than the kickboxers that have fought in the UFC, I would continue to invest lots of time in that Tiger Claw.
I'm not saying I think jujitsu is superior to kickboxing or kung fu; I have practiced kung fu and kickboxing much more than jujitsu, I am just saying that if a striker who has no knowledge of the ground game fights a grappler who has no knowledge of the stand up, all other things equal, the grappler will almost definitely win.
19th April 2003
|Most people who compare different MA�s make the following mistake. They compare sport with self-defense!! Even UFC fights got some rules.|
You're right, I am not talking about self defense. As a professional fighter, I am more concerned with sport fights. The only way I am ever going to get into a real fight is if someone attacks me or a friend or if I catch my wife in bed with some guy. In both cases, I wouldn't worry about kickboxing or jujitsu, I would look for some hard objects nearby.
|One of my specialties is Grappling and I know what I�m talking about. As a good grappler I try to control both arms because I know the MA who are not very firm with ground-fighting like to punch even on ground.|
It's not just martial artist who are not firm with ground-fighting who like to punch, its Olympic medalists and collegiate wrestling champions.
|If you get tired in ground-fighting you are doing something wrong. Ground-fighting for me is like sticky/pushing hands with the whole body|
Most of the exhaustion I incur is due to trying to hold them close to me so they can't launch big punches when they are on top of me. Other than bucking your hips up which you do to get them close to you so you can grab them, there really isn't much else you can do in this situation (as far as I know) if you do not want to eat any punches. So either you are an incredible grappler or your endurance is superhuman.